Talk:Hur'q

Hur'q and Drantzuli
I'm not so sure that the Drantzuli are just another name for the Hur'q. In the it was revealed that during the hibernation cycle, Hur'q had a servitor race which looked after them - the Drantzuli. --PiralDorrm (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC) EDIT: I'll replay Scylla and Charybdis later today - I seem to remember that Drantzuli were specifically said to be servitors by someone (although you are right that Tzenkethi called the Hur'q swarmers Drantzuli ships. --PiralDorrm (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The servitors are not named as Drantzuli, if anything they are the "Attendants". The Drantzuli would be a 50/50 toss up between either Attendant or Hur'q as a whole (and hence, still not a separate page from either) except for the fact that the Tzenkethi call the ships Drantzuli, not just the Attendants. Also, the Attendant mobs are marked with Hur'q faction icons, not the old Drantzuli icons (which seemed to be just there to hide the name Hur'q from us for longer) and no further mention of the word Drantzuli has been made at all. If Drantzuli was some servitor faction distinct from either then the name would crop up again, but they've barely even mention the attendant role at all.Scientifictheory (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I believe that the Attendants are in fact a Drantzuli and not one of the Hur'q races. But you're right, I don't think Drantzuli were mentioned by name at all in the episodes released with the expansion. Still, I believe we shouldn't claim Drantzuli are just another name for Hur'q as that hasn't been actually confirmed anywhere. Instead, we should add to the Attendant page that they were called Drantzuli prior to the Hur'q awakening.
 * I think wording like "some Hur'q were called Drantzuli" would be best, as is vague enough to apply to both scenarios, and then discuss the naming issue in full in the notes section. The Attendant page already notes the Drantzuli issue as applying to them so in whole everything would be in sync as we can get it.
 * There is also the issue that the Hur'q were sleeping on all these worlds with their attendants. When the Tzenkethi speak of wiping out the Drantzuli, are they seriously just speaking of attendants and not the big guys? The Admiral is clearly aware there are more than the critters as the Admiral is the FC. If we accept the notion that the Tzenkethi crusade was due to the manipulations of the FC then the Tzenkethi are saying Drantzuli in place of Hur'q, not Attendant.
 * Of course, a big chunk of this is whether "Attendants" are Hur'q (beyond the faction icon). They are clearly implied later as the species that looks after Havas-Kul while the Hur'q sleep, but then why are they also in eggs? Are they a separate species (like Heralds to Iconians) and hence Drantzuli could theoretically be applied only to them, or a branch of the species (like different Xindi) and hence they're all Drantzuli. It would help if Cryptic had been a little more explicit in the lore once the big secrets were out the way. Hopefully we'll find out with the next episode.Scientifictheory (talk) 11:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * So, I know I've said I'd play Scylla and Charybdis that day, but college got in the way. Finally got around to replaying it and this is what Martok says on the Drantzuli:

Now I know he's just speculating (just like we are XD), but this + the info we learn on Havas-Kul seems to really point in the direction that the Drantzuli are just the servants. About the egg issue, even Martok comments here that they "sleep" alongside the Hur'q as well. It is possible that their hibernation cycle is a little shorter - this would allow them to wake up before their masters and set everything up for their awakening (and would explain why we dealt only with them in Melting Pot). If others agree, I'd rename the Attendants page to Drantzuli and place all info about them there. I think we can at least agree that the Drantzuli definitely aren't just another name for the Hur'q. Hopefully we'll learn more about their symbiosis tomorrow, but somehow I doubt it. I'll make some edits to the page. Feel free to check them out and add your opinion here. --PiralDorrm (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it is still a little vague, especially as it is Martok's assumption. But one thing I certainly disagree with is renaming Attendant as Drantzuli. The mobs are called Attendant and Drantzuli is only the Tzenkethi name. Changing a very numerous mob name to a secondary name that isn't used since S&C doesn't seem smart.Scientifictheory (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Very well, we'll keep it this way. However, I've changed the Drantzuli page to redirect to the Attendants and not the Hur'q as it was until now. --PiralDorrm (talk) 18:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fair. As vague as it is there is clearly a stronger connection between Drantzuli and Attendant (and Glowing Attendant, perhaps that should be mentioned?) than with Hur'q. Although Attendant should be foremost. We should also be careful note to state one way or another whether Attendant are a totally separate species or a branch or engineered until it is confirmed.Scientifictheory (talk) 11:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We've finally got the confirmation that Attendants are Drantzuli. (https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10960923) --PiralDorrm (talk) 12:15, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Do the Attendants in Melting Pot still show the Drantzuli emblem? I'm thinking maybe we need a "faction" page mentioning them as a faction strictly in a game sense that would be linked from a disamb that points to that, Attendant, Glowing Attendant and Hur'q?Scientifictheory (talk) 13:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they still have their emblem. I agree with your idea. --PiralDorrm (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2018 (UTC)