User talk:SFC3/VelvetRoom

Playable ship nav - Spring cleaning 2020 edition
Popping my reply here so I can do a table. Looks good, though I wish we could get more out of the horizontal space. It would be possible to split T5 to have a fleet column, but I can't think of a reason for a third T6 column. Of course, the columns could be just on size: as in there are no columns splitting the T6 ships beyond a simple alphabetical split at arbitrary;

That might be the easiest way to keep things condensed?Scientifictheory (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I did think about doing a T5 split but there are not enough ships nowadays to justify it, especially for other factions. As far as your table idea I believe something similar was used back when the game had only a fraction of the ships available today. Right now the T5/T6 divide looks much cleaner and condensed already. SFC (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

By the way, are you splitting it as 'T6 and T6 Fleet Store' or 'T6 Normal and T6 Fleet Level & Equivalent' (i.e. Fleet includes lobi, legendary etc.?) as the Fed outline looks like the latter but I'm wondering how we'd term that latter category? Just saying fleet as it stands now might be misleading but we don't have a decent all-encompassing term that is generally understood for "Fleet Grade". If we are going for one, such as "Fleet Grade", I'll work on a section or page explaining it.Scientifictheory (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Definitely the latter. And yeah the Playable starship section needs to be updated anyway to explain scaling Tier 6 ships - fixing that would work nicely I think. That means I'll just revise it to "Fleet+" for the purposes of the nav, with a redirect from "Fleet+" to the relevant "Tier 6 Fleet" section of the aforementioned page, explaining that tier 6 ships can be fleet-quality if they're promo, legendary, lockbox, or part of discount packs. SFC (talk) 06:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

It was going to get cramped on Playable starship so I've created a dedicated page for tiers. Later, I'll be pointing some redirects with infboxes to it for each Tier and subtype so people can just hover over something like "Fleet-grade" and get an answer without having to navigate away from the template.Scientifictheory (talk) 07:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Fed/KDF tier 6 changes are in. Will need to do a few more passes (Also alphabetizing the whole nav as well as reorganizing it) and of course finish the Romulan side of things, I'll do that today after some sleep. One table that won't change drastically is the Cross-faction table, I think it just needs alphabetizing TBH. After KDF/FED/ROM and the overview pass is done I'll push all of these changes. SFC (talk) 08:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Looks great. I've proposed a few changes, feel free to revert. Though the currency point on the new fleet column would need to be addressed somehow. The groups I think are better done separately so we can see the ships' full name (and also we have horizontal space to kill, but it would be good to keep vertical under control), but if we do have them it's best to keep it clear and have the currency symbols next to the ship rather than the group imo.

Edit: although looking at that list now, the fleet grade column is exactly twice the length of the standard type column exactly where the two groups are cut. If we had a Fleet and Fleet-equivalent column, all three would be nearly even and the column headers would be able to make clear the division between the two groups (at the moment, anyone without prior knowledge would just guess as the division) and also keep the number of currency symbols down. Scientifictheory (talk) 06:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I've made a compromise between my changes and yours, retaining the legendary bundle headers but removing the abbreviated bundle ships, and added promo tags to the groupees runabout/guardian. I've also applied style changes to the whole of the nav which I think make things a lot nicer. As for the fleet-grade column, I think eventually another separation is definitely warranted, however before that I would likely look into separating all tier 6 ships into another nav and linking to t1-t5. But for now I think this is fine as is, hopefully you agree. I'll be pushing all of my changes this evening. SFC (talk) 16:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

It's a fantastic improvement. Thanks! Scientifictheory (talk) 05:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)