Talk:Reman Bird-of-Prey

Merge?
Since this vessel is identical to the Romulan Bird-of-Prey in every way but cosmetics, I think we should merge the two into one article, perhaps entitled "Romulan Empire Bird-of-Prey" or something like that. Thoughts? - Mitchz95 16:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It had been separated and merged and separated again once before. If we merge it, call it "Romulan Bird-of-Prey" and style the Romulan (generic) and the Reman as sub-class. The same would apply to the D'deridex, the Mogai (four subclasses in total), the Scorpion and the Scimitar classes. Personally, I would keep them apart for now. What differentiates Terran (mob) ships from their Starfleet counterparts except for cosmetics and prefix? -Markonian 17:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * For this kind of thing, I think it's better to generally keep things separated by their differences from a game mechanics view, not a story view. Romulans and Remans may definitely a deeply entangled history, but in terms of game mechanics, which tend to view faction differences on a much more basic level, they are two separate major NPC factions. A Reman bird-of-play isn't some one-off found in only one mission; it's encountered frequently. If we were to ever get to set up ships for Semantic MediaWiki, we'd end up having to separate them again if we went ahead with a merge, so I think the Romulan/Reman ships are an exceptional case where duplication of information is reasonable. &mdash; Eyes  [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 02:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess that makes sense; I'm not much of a tech guy so I'm not really knowledgeable about gameplay mechanics. On a related note, does that mean we should separate Scorpion Fighter and Scimitar Dreadnought? - Mitchz95 04:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm starting to reconsider a little. Now that I think about it, we could end up setting things up so that a faction property could accept more than one value if we did set up Semantic MediaWiki properties for them. My remaining concern is just that with the two factions being separate, they could end up taking diverging paths and possibly start getting equipped with different weapons, abilities... whatever. At that point, we'd probably end up having to separate them again. It's not knowing that kind of thing that makes this kind of decision difficult, so for now, I'll support either decision and just suggest we move toward consistency either way. &mdash; Eyes  [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 04:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

The Federation and Terrans are completely unrelated factions (except for prime/mirror relationship) while the Romulans and Remans are, for the most part, commonly associated with the same faction (the Star Empire). As of Season Seven they've unified to a degree, and it's just the remaining militant groups like Harmien and the Tal Shair that are continuing the fighting. - Mitchz95 17:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I see your point. For example, we also don't differentiate the ships of the generic and Rival Klingons (generic Gorn and Rebel Gorn). However, Romulans and Remans are of the same nation state but different factions (in-game mechanics). A problem I see is: What goes into the faction header, exclusively Romulan or mixed (similar to the combined Fed/KDF "Both" theme)? That noted, I don't know yet wether to agree to or oppose mergin. --Markonian 19:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

We could always create our own faction header, combining the Romulan and Reman symbols. Or create a template that will have one image/header on top, and a different one underneath (like "orbit" and "surface" images with the planet template). Regarding the merge, we should probably let some other people chime in before we decide. - Mitchz95 20:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree with what you said. --Markonian 21:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I've found a potential fix for the header problem; see Scorpion Fighter. - Mitchz95 01:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Now that Legacy of Romulus has launched, I think it's time to revisit this. Having three T'varo articles (playable, NPC Romulan, and NPC Reman) would probably get confusing, so I think a merge of the latter two is in order. - Mitchz95 (talk) 00:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

All right, a week has gone by without any further comment so I'm going to assume nobody has a problem with this. I'll merge the articles in a few hours; anyone who wishes to object should do so now. - Mitchz95 (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

And ... done. - Mitchz95 (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)