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How are you planing to expand the doff contacts?[]

Just saw your comment in one of the delete votes and that rendered me curious. One note to keep in mind though. If you split them up in too many pages they become increasingly harder to maintain, not that they are current to begin with ;) So I would humbly suggest to keep it as condensed as possible. -Dukedom (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

It is a bit of a conundrum. Do we keep separate pages for Federation in-ship contacts and Klingon in-ship contacts or a single page for each type of contact? Now that the Romulan faction, special bridges, starbases, embassies, mines and spires, with the promise of another faction next year, it's not something I want to rush into. My first intent was to create a page for each vendor in the game - showing what they provide and, especially, what percentage buyback they offer. Doff assignment providers crept into play since some - like chef and bartender - do double duty. I think a single page for each type of assignment provider, like Assignment_provider:_Chef, would be best. This would allow assignments/chains provided to be kept in a single place separate from pages with headshots, store items and buyback. An alternative is to create a more consolidated vendor structure, but considering how varied the attributes of vendors, I think consolidation would be trickier at this stage. I am open to any suggestions. I just want there to be real content for these pages instead of just the stubs like Chef_(FED) - jveazey (talk) 9:53 PM, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

I made a comment on Talk:Tactical_Officer_(FED) ages ago which is relevent here. Those pages were always on my radar to fill in, but I havnt gotten to them yet (I'm also working on Vendors, as time permits, among other things). I don't think we need to classify them by faction, as in my experience, the Fed Chef (for example) performs the same role as the KDF Chef in any given location, so Chef (Fleet Starbase) is all we need to tell him apart from Chef (Player Starship) - the menu and assignments given may vary between factions, but that can be noted in the article's content.
I do believe however that each NPC should be documented and have their own article, just like Items, and as I said in the linked comments above, we need to (at least for the NPC article) differentiate them in some way, which I think is best done by location.
I think the problem Dukedom sees is that adding a multitude of Assignment Givers might cause complications with the Doff Template System here on the Wiki, but I think there may be a workaround to that as well, which we have been discussing on his talk page.
For now, just document the NPCs. The "Assignment Provider" pages or lists would probably be better off being built by the system of templates that builds Duty Officer stuff.
As to the buy-back rates. I noticed you added Category:Vendors buying at 40%. I created the 50% one simply to make a list of the vendors offering the best deal. I'm not sure that vendors offering less favourable deals need to be listed, but dont let that stop you categorising them. One thing about the summary there (and on the pages listed in that category) is the term "minimum". 50% Markdown is the minimum you will find in the game. 60% is obviously higher.
Sorry for the length of my comment. There were a few things I needed to cover. Tahno (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! That definitely gives me much more to go on. I was concerned with naming convention for these NPCs. Chef (FED) was very non-descript and I didn't even find it until after I had created Chef (Ship Interior). The tag Chef (Player Starship) is much better. For these equivalent NPCs like fed & kdf chef (and possibly romulan), would this mean we would need 2 NPCinfo templates on a page? What is the convention here, if one exists?
The reason I added the 40% category was that I didn't know if there was just a "bad" (40%) vendor and "good" (50%) vendor or if there were varying degrees througout the game. Regardless, I will update the wording.
I'll hold off on any "Assignment Provider" work and pass on my ideas.
Thanks for the help!! jveazey (talk) 12:24 AM November 23, 2013 (UTC)
I would stick to just one {{NPCinfo}} template per article. The info should be the same for each faction. Just pick one of them for the image. Additional images (the other faction's NPC etc) can be added to the article, as can any notes regarding variations in menu or assignments etc.
You can move existing articles, such as Chef (FED) to a new name using the link to the right of the History button at top of page (for any that you havnt already created). Duplicates that may exist, such as the one you mentioned can be marked for deletion, with the reason being that it's a duplicate. If I recall correctly, "location = Player Starship" is already recognised by the template so that will help with auto-categorising them. I'll check that later and make sure. Tahno (talk) 01:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
An additional thought. We will need to add themto the disambig pages, like Bartender. Also I looked at the location= thing with "Player Starship". I'll sort that out when I can. I have lightning here so not sure how reliable my power will be for a while. Tahno (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Taking a break for a while. Will sort out the categories and templates a bit more later. Tahno (talk) 06:53, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Hum hom, looking at the Bartender example. I like the Bartender (Player Starship) naming. Are they different NPCs for the different factions? If yes, you could probably use the fed for the Bartender (Player Starship) and put the kdf and / rom versions on subpages. Bartender (Player Starship)/Klingon for example. There should not be an infobox conflict then. Take a peek at the Trait page to see how we handled it there. -Dukedom (talk) 14:13, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
They are different NPCs but I am worried that naming convention shows a bias towards the Federation perspective. With traits it makes sense, but I'm not sure about factions.--Jveazey (talk) 19:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry about bias. With subpages you can focus on the differences and keep all the stuff they share on the mainpage. Which equals a lot less work. :) -Dukedom (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Item icons[]

Hi Jveazey

Good to see a lot of new weapons pages, but I wonder if when creating them you could use:


as the icon code. The old template {{coloricon}} is a redirect, so using {{icon}} will avoid that, also I noticed on some of the new pages, you have a MK value in the icon template call. You should probably leave that field blank, as in the example above, unless you want an icon with the specific MX X annotation on it. The ones I saw dont have the corresponding MK icon, so its defaulting to the base icon (with no annotation), which is probably what you wanted. If those MK I, and MK II Icons I saw in the links ever get uploaded, it will replace whats there now with those.

Keep up the awesome work!

Tahno (talk) 05:01, 27 November 2013 (UTC)